• Still with Trump

    From Utopian Galt@VERT to All on Sat Mar 21 10:14:34 2026
    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equally destructive such as inviting a crapload of people to force demographic change since they do not like the electorate in our nation.

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 11:59:45 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Mar 21 2026 10:14 am

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am
    still with him. Biden also was equal > destructive such as inviting a crapl > of people to force demographic chang > since they do not like the electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?


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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 16:00:08 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:59 am

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?
    Its not just white people, its Christians and non muslims of any ethnicity. The problem is the left largely wants to replace their population because they want their agenda passed.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 19:39:51 2026
    Vilenihilist wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Mar 21 2026 10:14 am

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am
    still with him. Biden also was equal > destructive such as inviting a crapl

    of people to force demographic chang > since they do not like the
    electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?


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    One might ask the same of somebody who adds this garbage to every post
    they make. Right? Should anyone take *YOU* seriously?



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 20:26:44 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:59 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Sat Mar 21 2026 10:14 am

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equal > destructive such as inviting a crapl > of people to force demographic chang
    since they do not like the electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?


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    There's actually multiple forms of facts and data and first hand accounts to support what he said.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 20:27:15 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Utopian Galt to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 2026 04:00 pm

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:59 am

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?
    Its not just white people, its Christians and non muslims of any ethnicity. The problem is the left largely wants to replace their population because they want their agenda passed.

    The democrats have always been slave owners. The more slaves the better.

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 22 08:10:39 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Utopian Galt to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 2026 04:00 pm

    Its not just white people, its
    Christians and non muslims of any
    ethnicity. The problem is the left
    largely wants to replace their
    population because they want their
    agenda passed.

    False. You have a made up narrative
    that that's true becaue it would
    justify your fears and prejudices
    if it was, but it a line you've
    been fed and hang on to, not one
    based in reality. White genocide
    is an old trope bandied around
    since the 19th century and it's
    not getting more accurate with time.






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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Gamgee on Sun Mar 22 08:11:56 2026
    Re: Re: Still with Trump
    By: Gamgee to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 2026 07:39 pm

    One might ask the same of somebody w > adds this garbage to every post
    they make. Right? Should anyone ta > *YOU* seriously?


    Nope. We're all dumbasses on decrepit
    tech. No one here is to be taken
    seriously. Don't know why you bothered
    to ask such a question.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Sun Mar 22 08:12:36 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 2026 08:26 pm

    There's actually multiple forms of
    facts and data and first hand accoun > to support what he said.

    Produce it.

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Sun Mar 22 08:18:09 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 08:27 pm

    The democrats have always been slave > owners. The more slaves the better.

    Historically true. I'm not their
    biggest fan either.

    The reality is we exist in a system
    that has been corrupted by corporatistswarhawks and otherwise corrupt officalswho all believe in neo-liberalism and the exploitation of you, me, and anyonewe live too far away from to see the
    damage we cause them in the name of
    makin our system run like butter.
    Trump is just the latest idiot at th
    helm. Probably the worst in in recent
    memory, vindictive and cruel, but he's
    not unique otherwise.

    Both parties are defendin people who
    hurt us, and their uni-ideology is
    failing. I give MAGA credit for
    identifying a lot of the issues, but
    y'all have been weaponized with hatred
    and fear to hate your neighbors, and
    so long as y'all do that, we can't
    work together on fixin this country.

    I hope that we'll see some big changes in both parties by the end of this decade, and a LOT of constitutional
    reforms.


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 08:42:11 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:59 am

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equal >
    destructive such as inviting a crapl > of people to force demographic chang
    since they do not like the electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?

    Never give anyone the time of day that instead of logical debate, they just belittle and berate.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 22 09:31:47 2026
    Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was
    equally destructive such as inviting a crapload of people to force demographic change since they do not like the electorate in our nation.

    Force demographic change? He was president at the time.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VILENIHILIST on Sun Mar 22 10:17:11 2026
    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equal >
    destructive such as inviting a crapl > of people to force demographic chang
    since they do not like the electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?

    I don't exactly believe in the "white genocide" stuff but I do wonder what their endgame was with the "catch and release (into the US)" policy. I
    don't believe that they were that stupid to think it was a good idea --
    there had to be *some* reason for it.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 20:00:14 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:10 am


    False. You have a made up narrative
    that that's true becaue it would
    justify your fears and prejudices
    if it was, but it a line you've
    been fed and hang on to, not one
    based in reality. White genocide
    is an old trope bandied around
    since the 19th century and it's
    not getting more accurate with time.


    I don't believe in coordinate ethnic replacement theories myself, but one would have to be either naive or dishonest not to conceede there has been a, let's say, cultural "genocide" against the traditional population.

    And by that I mean a sector of the population has been trying very hard to make it so their political enemies can't make a living unless they bend knee. So the plan is clearly to make it so if you don't abide to a certain way of doing things you won't get hired for any relevant position and you will either starve or eventually surrender. This strategy is very Sovietic and recognizeable as such. It is also a failed one (thankfully).

    It is also not hard to realize the same sector of the population actively wants their opposition to outright die. As a recent example, notice all the people celebrating Chuck Norris died "because that is one less MAGA motherfucker." Anybody with two braincells will connect the dots and realize if you have similar views, those people also want YOU dead. At which point is absolutely natural to radicalize because it is self-defense.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 21:47:12 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:10 am






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    You yourself brought in the white genocide shit.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 21:48:14 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:12 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sat Mar 21 2026 08:26 pm

    There's actually multiple forms of facts and data and first hand accoun > to support what he said.

    Produce it.

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    It's not my fault you've been blind the past six years.
    Go use google. It's not my job to educate you. It would be a waste of time.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 21:51:24 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:18 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Utopian Galt on Sat Mar 21 2026 08:27 pm

    The democrats have always been slave > owners. The more slaves the better. >
    Historically true. I'm not their biggest fan either.

    The reality is we exist in a system that has been corrupted by corporatistswarhawks and otherwise corrupt officalswho all believe in neo-liberalism and the exploitation of you, me, and anyonewe live too far away from to see the
    damage we cause them in the name of makin our system run like butter. Trump > is just the latest idiot at th helm. Probably the worst in in recent
    memory, vindictive and cruel, but he's not unique otherwise.

    you're not looking high enough. all of this is above corporations, it's above money. it's about power and controlling people.


    Both parties are defendin people who hurt us, and their uni-ideology is failing. I give MAGA credit for identifying a lot of the issues, but y'all have been weaponized with hatred and fear to hate your neighbors, and
    so long as y'all do that, we can't
    work together on fixin this country.

    What if i really hate my neighbors?
    And if trump is really such an idiot how did he become president of the usa Fucking twice. 2nd time as a multiple felon.

    It's not just because people are dumb or whatever you tell yourself.
    He's a better president than what we've had for 50 years.



    I hope that we'll see some big changes in both parties by the end of this decade, and a LOT of constitutional reforms.


    Keep hoping. You don't know how this works.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 22 21:53:08 2026
    Re: Re: Still with Trump
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:31 am

    Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equally destructive such as inviting a crapload of people to force demographic change since they do not like the electorate in our nation. >
    Force demographic change? He was president at the time.

    Yes he was. Glad you recoginze that.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Sun Mar 22 21:53:56 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Sun Mar 22 2026 10:17 am

    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equal > destructive such as inviting a crapl > of people to force demographic
    chang
    since they do not like the electorat > in our nation.

    LOL Bro are you really a white genocidebeliever? How should anyone take you seriously after that?

    I don't exactly believe in the "white genocide" stuff but I do wonder what their endgame was with the "catch and release (into the US)" policy. I
    don't believe that they were that stupid to think it was a good idea --
    there had to be *some* reason for it.


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    the gameplan was to make things worse. and it did. that's how you ruin any country. that's why other countries usually dont allow uncontrolled floods of Immigrants.

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Denn on Mon Mar 23 08:59:18 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Denn to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:42 am

    Never give anyone the time of day t > instead of logical debate, they just > belittle and berate.

    It would behoove you to look at the
    last year's worth of messages and
    apply to that to 100% of users here.
    Not one person on this board is
    innocent of ridicule and cajoling.
    And, when some people say that having
    a different opinion makes you an
    enemy of the state, well, they
    should expect to get it back in
    spades, and be expected to take
    it on the chin like anyone else would.

    I would hope that momma didn't raise
    no bitches in here.



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Dumas Walker on Mon Mar 23 09:08:17 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Sun Mar 22 2026 10:17 am

    I don't exactly believe in the "whit > genocide" stuff but I do wonder what > their endgame was with the "catch an > release (into the US)" policy. I
    don't believe that they were that
    stupid to think it was a good idea - > there had to be *some* reason for it
    I mean if the idea is that Trump was
    too aggressive in his first term with
    imprisoning migrants who were pending
    trial it make perfect sense to have
    wanted to reverse a policy that was
    targeting too many non-violent people
    and thus crowding jails and detention
    facilities; you can see what NOT doing
    catch and release looks lik right now
    with how crowded ICE/CBP's facilities
    are reported to be and the horrible
    way in which people are being treated.

    It doesn't have to be nefarious, it's
    an issue of priorities. Biden preferredthe risk of catch and release to
    a large dragnet holding many people whoreally didn't need to be held up that way, and Trump would rather grab cats
    and figure out where to hold them
    later.

    Obv there's more to both ideas than
    that but this message is already gettinlong.



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Mon Mar 23 09:20:56 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:00 pm

    I don't believe in coordinate ethnic > replacement theories myself, but one > would have to be either naive or
    dishonest not to conceede there has
    been a, let's say, cultural "genocid > against the traditional population.

    Hardly. For one, who decides what is
    a traditional American? Our traditions
    are a dedication to the ethos "All
    men are created equal, endowed by
    their creator with certain inalienable
    rights, that among them are Life,
    Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
    That is not an ethos that defines a
    race, a religion, or bacground at all.
    And if you want to then refer to the
    constitution and its initial embrace
    of white supremacy via the 3/5 clause,
    I would hope we could all agree that
    that was an objectively bad precedence
    and not a precedent or a tradition to
    keep. So beyond that, what decides who
    is a traditional American? And why
    ANY American of any stripe care about
    that tradition? MAGA certainly doesn't
    care about Political tradition. Why
    should I, a white/puerto rican
    Atheist veteran, give a shit about
    your opinions on cultural tradition?

    The only American cultural tradition
    that matters is telling people who
    try to put others in a box to fuck off
    and come fight about it if you think
    you can.




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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Mon Mar 23 09:28:44 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:00 pm

    It is also not hard to realize the s > sector of the population actively wa > their opposition to outright die. As > recent example, notice all the peopl > celebrating Chuck Norris died "becau > that is one less MAGA motherfucker." > Anybody with two braincells will
    connect the dots and realize if you
    have similar views, those people als > want YOU dead. At which point is absolutely natural to radicalize
    because it is self-defense.


    You cats always conveniently forget
    that the right has been talking about
    killing the left and saying the left
    are enemies of the people in this
    country in the current way since
    Reagan. In the modern era, that also
    turned in to right wing shootings,
    an increase in demonstrations by
    white supremacist groups, and
    ramping up racist and hateful rhetoric.
    What you are experiecing with the
    response to Kirk and Hogan and Norris
    is simply blowback. You guys should
    know all about that, because MAGA
    was also a type of blowback against
    perceived PC and cancel culture, among
    many other grievances. People are
    tired of being told, by people like
    y'all but with power, that they are
    sub-human sub-citizens that deserve
    nothing but death and life on the
    margins. You can choose to stick
    your fingers in your ears all you
    want but everyone knows the history
    and their patience and hospitality
    has run out. I know mine has.





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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Mon Mar 23 09:30:49 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:47 pm

    You yourself brought in the white
    genocide shit.

    Incorrect. I just named the thing they were describing.

    If you describe all the traits of a
    flying animal with feathers and beak
    I don't need to wait for you to call
    it a bird to say "oh you're talking
    about a bird"



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Mon Mar 23 09:31:39 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:48 pm

    It's not my fault you've been blind > past six years.
    Go use google. It's not my job to
    educate you. It would be a waste of
    time.

    yo can't produce it because you are
    full of shit and you know it.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Mon Mar 23 09:35:52 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:51 pm

    What if i really hate my neighbors?
    And if trump is really such an idiot > how did he become president of the u > Fucking twice. 2nd time as a multip > felon.

    1. That's your problem, and make my
    point, can't work with you.

    2. That's a dumb question, I bet there
    are loads of 2 term presidents you
    think are idiots. Trump isn't special
    just cause you like his chocolate man.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Mar 23 08:46:21 2026
    Trump may not be perfect, but I am still with him. Biden also was equally destructive such as inviting a crapload of people to force demographic change since they do not like the electorate in our nation.

    Force demographic change? He was president at the time.

    Correct theory or not, IMHO that is sort of the point of the theory. While
    you are in power, you do things to make sure you (and/or your party) stay
    in power.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 02:20:54 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:30 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:47 pm

    You yourself brought in the white genocide shit.

    Incorrect. I just named the thing they were describing.

    If you describe all the traits of a flying animal with feathers and beak
    I don't need to wait for you to call
    it a bird to say "oh you're talking about a bird"



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    It's your story, tell it how you want to tell it mr cnn.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 02:21:47 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:31 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:48 pm

    It's not my fault you've been blind > past six years.
    Go use google. It's not my job to educate you. It would be a waste of time.

    yo can't produce it because you are full of shit and you know it.


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    I've produced it in the past to 100's of dipshit fags like you.
    I'm not going to play that game ever again.

    "never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 02:22:53 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:35 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:51 pm

    What if i really hate my neighbors? And if trump is really such an idiot > > > how did he become president of the u > Fucking twice. 2nd time as a
    multip
    felon.

    1. That's your problem, and make my point, can't work with you.

    2. That's a dumb question, I bet there are loads of 2 term presidents you think are idiots. Trump isn't special just cause you like his chocolate man. >

    So you're such a smart guy, why aren't you president?

    And who is trump's chocolate man?


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to MRO on Tue Mar 24 08:09:52 2026
    MRO wrote to Vilenihilist <=-

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to MRO on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:31 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 09:48 pm

    It's not my fault you've been blind > past six years.
    Go use google. It's not my job to educate you. It would be a waste of time.

    yo can't produce it because you are full of shit and you know it.


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    I've produced it in the past to 100's of dipshit fags like you.
    I'm not going to play that game ever again.

    "never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

    Maybe you should stop responding to the troll.




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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 10:44:51 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Denn on Mon Mar 23 2026 08:59 am

    Never give anyone the time of day t > instead of logical debate, they just
    belittle and berate.

    It would behoove you to look at the last year's worth of messages and apply to that to 100% of users here. Not one person on this board is innocent of ridicule and cajoling.
    And, when some people say that having
    a different opinion makes you an
    enemy of the state, well, they

    The point here is everyone can have an opinion, but when some instead of giving an opinion only belittle, berate, and call names.
    Thats not debate, thats an attempt to intimidate and bully those that dis-agree.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 13:44:55 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:20 am


    Hardly. For one, who decides what is
    a traditional American?

    This right here is precisely part of the issue. EVERYBODY knows what traditional western cultural values are yet so many people pretend not to have a clue.

    I don't identify myself as a Christian but it takes no genius to realize left-wing parties champion Islam exclusively as a way to oppose Christianity (and the bag of right-wing policies that come with it). That is just an example. Nobody who isn't a muslim would endorse the muslim culture in a vacuum.

    Anybody who is not under a rock and is somehow honest with himself will clearly notice that American cultural products have switched from embracing American culture to rejecting it quite overtly. Old movies featured aspirational characters that were intended to represent the prime of Americanism. Daniel Boone's TV show was all about exploration and heroism, but also about fending off totalitarian overreach, keeping good relationships with peaceful neighbors and fighting off hostile ones. Now we have movies like Black Panther in which the heroes openly shame whiteness.

    Most noticeably, American cultural products have lost their identity because they removed their stars and stripes, their apple pie, guns, bourbon and failed to fill the void with anything meaningful. There is a reason why the movie industry is touching new lows as of late: Hollywood is producing empty products. When you watch a Bollywood piece it is easy to notice they are proud of their identity or at least they are not ashamed of it, so even bad pieces have the redeeming characteristic of having some substance.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 13:53:14 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:28 am



    You cats always conveniently forget
    that the right has been talking about
    killing the left and saying the left
    are enemies of the people in this
    country in the current way since
    Reagan.


    I am quite confident if you show somebody a copy of Kill or get Killed, it will intantly recogniced as Hoover-era propaganda, even by modern right-wingers. The Hoover era is over, by the way, finished decades ago, so the (legit) complaints that leftist actors and writers and whatever were getting kicked out of their jobs due to political dissidence are long gone. Decades long gone, in fact.

    Claimnig what is being done today is legitimate revenge because of whatever happened in the Hoover era is like claiming nuking Italy is the right thing to do because of the people the Roman Empire enslaved. The problem with the approach is that if you publicly defend nuking Italy is the right thing to do you end up giving Italy legitimate reasons to terminate you in self-defense.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VILENIHILIST on Tue Mar 24 11:24:37 2026
    I mean if the idea is that Trump was too aggressive in his first term with imprisoning migrants who were pending trial it make perfect sense to have wanted to reverse a policy that was targeting too many non-violent people and thus crowding jails and detention facilities; you can see what NOT doing catch
    and release looks lik right now with how crowded ICE/CBP's facilities are reported to be and the horrible
    way in which people are being treated.

    IMHO, the proper solution there is to release them back into the country
    they came through... Mexico, as was being done during at least part of
    Trump's first admin... instead of releasing them into the USA.

    BTW, if you look at the numbers, despite Trump's campaign claims, Obama
    was also imprisoning / turning back decent numbers, too.

    It doesn't have to be nefarious, it's an issue of priorities. Biden preferredthe risk of catch and release to
    a large dragnet holding many people whoreally didn't need to be held up that way, and Trump would rather grab cats and figure out where to hold them later.

    I didn't claim it was nefarious, but that it was not smart. I also don't
    think that turning loose a bunch of ICE agents in various cities is smart, either, but that is what happens after a few years of just turning people
    loose on this side of the border.

    If anything, that might have been the reason there... break something so
    then you can complain about how the other side does an equally silly 180 to
    try to correct it.

    Yeah, that sounds dumb but we are talking about US politicians, and I
    seriously wonder if we could ever assemble a bigger group of dummies that
    the current lot we have.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dumas Walker on Tue Mar 24 07:47:42 2026
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    While you are in power, you do things to make sure you (and/or your
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    We've certainly seen that recently.



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  • From Kilo G@VERT/VCOVBBS to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 03:16:49 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Mon Mar 23 2026 09:20 am

    a traditional American? Our traditions are a dedication to the ethos "All men are created equal, endowed by
    their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among them are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." That is not an ethos that defines a race, a religion, or bacground at all. And if you want to then refer to the constitution and its initial embrace

    yo all men dude - did you see the immigration laws before 1965?

    irrelvant
    once i was trying to free tibet now im buying from occupied tibet


    If you ask me the home children canada used for 60 years was a better idea than mass migration, you can mould them better - but I guess nobody wanted to let anyone have any fun anymore.. just tax them more - i say... they will pay.

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  • From Darklord@VERT/OUTWEST to Denn ALL on Wed Mar 25 03:49:50 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Denn to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 10:44 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Denn on Mon Mar 23 2026 08:59 am

    The point here is everyone can have an opinion, but when some instead of giving an opinion only belittle, berate, and call names.
    Thats not debate, thats an attempt to intimidate and bully those that dis-agree.

    Denn

    I'd say I agree, except that perhaps you should go to counseling or private messages or something and debate on data centers or something and the AI bubbles that everyone is killin' it on money for that junk.

    Trump is president, that's about it.. Is he doing worse? Or better? I haven't been able to tell since forever ago on any good president, not that they have any powers to really do anything anyways. G'day or whatnot.

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Wed Mar 25 05:42:43 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 02:20 am

    It's your story, tell it how you wan > to tell it mr cnn.

    LOL You think I think corporate media
    isn't compromised on all fronts. You'rehilarious. As opposed to the One
    America News you favor, eh?



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Wed Mar 25 05:44:56 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 02:21 am

    I've produced it in the past to 100' > of dipshit fags like you.
    I'm not going to play that game ever > again.

    I don't care if you play or not. If you
    make a bullshit claim and refuse to
    back it up, I can safely assume you
    are full of shit, and you can't
    argue to the contrary because you are
    literally REFUSING to back it up.

    So sucks to suck I guess, you do you.
    Your life will continuosly get worse,
    as it will for all of us, and
    you'll keep blaming your neighbors,
    migrants and poor people. Nothing's
    new under the sun.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to MRO on Wed Mar 25 05:47:47 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: MRO to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 02:22 am

    So you're such a smart guy, why aren > you president?

    So since you aren't president either,
    can we safely assume that you're as
    equally retarded as you think I am?

    I mean, I'd give you more credit
    personally, but hey, who am I to
    give you credit you won't claim?

    We're all just retards under the boots
    you lick.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Gamgee on Wed Mar 25 05:49:51 2026
    Re: Re: Still with Trump
    By: Gamgee to MRO on Tue Mar 24 2026 08:09 am

    Maybe you should stop responding to > troll.

    A troll just wants a rise. I'm actuallyhere to participae same as y'all. We just don't like each other's takes and
    politics are spicy. Some can take it,
    some can't. I believe our mutual
    friend cannot take the heat he gives
    to others.



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Denn on Wed Mar 25 05:53:42 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Denn to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 10:44 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Denn on Mon Ma > 23 2026 08:59 am

    Never give anyone the time of da > > instead of logical debate, they ju > >>> belittle and berate.

    It would behoove you to look at > Vi> the last year's worth of messa > Vi> and apply to that to 100% of us > Vi> here. Not one person on this bo > Vi> is innocent of ridicule and
    cajoling.
    And, when some people say that
    having
    a different opinion makes you a > Vi> enemy of the state, well, they

    The point here is everyone can have > opinion, but when some instead of giving an opinion only belittle,
    berate, and call names.
    Thats not debate, thats an attempt > intimidate and bully those that dis-agree.

    Denn

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    Which I would reiterate, look at the
    last year of posts. The discourse here
    is pretty exclusively insults EXCEPT
    where two republicans are saying to
    each other "we are right" and "I
    agree that we are right." But there
    are very few instances where an
    opposing opinion wasn't met with
    "you're a crazy uneducated libtard
    that hates America." So I reject the
    idea I've significantly altered the
    "high minded" rhetorical tradition
    in these here boards.




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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 06:04:27 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 01:44 pm

    This right here is precisely part of > the issue. EVERYBODY knows what traditional western cultural values > yet so many people pretend not to ha > a clue.

    I don't identify myself as a Christi > but it takes no genius to realize left-wing parties champion Islam
    exclusively as a way to oppose
    Christianity (and the bag of right-w > policies that come with it). That is > just an example. Nobody who isn't a
    muslim would endorse the muslim cult > in a vacuum.

    Anybody who is not under a rock and > somehow honest with himself will clearly notice that American cultura > products have switched from embracin > American culture to rejecting it qui > overtly. Old movies featured
    aspirational characters that were
    intended to represent the prime of
    Americanism. Daniel Boone's TV show > all about exploration and heroism, b > also about fending off totalitarian
    overreach, keeping good relationship > with peaceful neighbors and fighting > off hostile ones. Now we have movies > like Black Panther in which the hero > openly shame whiteness.

    Most noticeably, American cultural
    products have lost their identity
    because they removed their stars and > stripes, their apple pie, guns, bour > and failed to fill the void with
    anything meaningful. There is a reas > why the movie industry is touching n > lows as of late: Hollywood is produc > empty products. When you watch a
    Bollywood piece it is easy to notice > they are proud of their identity or > least they are not ashamed of it, so > even bad pieces have the redeeming
    characteristic of having some
    substance.

    That's a load of nonsense just to
    arrive at "it's christian whites that
    don't question the Star and Stripes"

    And what you need to understand is
    that no one is pretending they don't
    know what you cats mean by Traditional.We reject that you have the authority
    to define it, and we reject it because
    it's ahistorical.

    America is whatever we want it to be.
    That is what set it apart from Europe,
    you know, "the Old World." The whole
    idea was not to entrench religion and
    tradition like they had done. The
    "Traditional American" nonsense was
    invented by slave owners to protect
    white supremacy. And white supremacy
    has been and will always be wrong,
    just as any racial supremacy will be
    wrong, and any religious supremacy
    always be wrong. That is not the spiritof American democracy. It's a principleI have always fought against, and
    fighting it is principle I am willing
    to die for, and I have put my life
    and livelihood on the line several
    times to stand up against. Any REAL
    American would. Only fake
    fair-weather patriots push that
    narrative.

    Also, get of the internet sometime and go outside, you'll find that all those values and patriot signaling you think
    has vanished is still plenty alive and well. The internet is not real life, and if you haven't figured it out by
    now, it is also manipulated by
    politicians, corporations, and foreign
    powers explicitly to piss us off and
    weaponize it.









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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 06:09:46 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 01:53 pm

    the (legit) complaints that leftist
    actors and writers and whatever were > getting kicked out of their jobs due > political dissidence are long gone.
    Decades long gone, in fact.

    Claimnig what is being done today is > legitimate revenge because of whatev > happened in the Hoover era is like
    claiming nuking Italy is the right
    thing to do because of the people th > Roman Empire enslaved. The problem w > the approach is that if you publicly > defend nuking Italy is the right thi > to do you end up giving Italy
    legitimate reasons to terminate you > self-defense.


    Brother I said SINCE Reagan, as in,
    ongoing, to this day. Y'all know it
    happens all the time. I've moved in
    republican circles here in the South
    my whole life, I KNOW what people
    talk about, you can't gaslight me.

    You show me a person that hasn't
    treated even a moderate conservative
    democrat (hardly a lefty) as a
    communist infiltrator enemy that
    wants to turn America gay and muslim
    and thus should be shot and removed
    from having a public voice and I'll
    show you a lying republican.



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Dumas Walker on Wed Mar 25 06:14:21 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Tue Mar 24 2026 11:24 am

    IMHO, the proper solution there is t > release them back into the country they came through... Mexico, as was
    being done during at least part of
    Trump's first admin... instead of
    releasing them into the USA.

    Well no, the point is they are holding
    them prior to their hearings, which
    is them gettin due process under the
    law. So until they've been heard,
    people should not just be deported.

    Trump, and Biden as well, could have
    resolved that by makin a strong case
    to hire more judges and lawyers to
    expedite the cases and speed up
    processing. Neglicence on Biden's
    part, but Trump's response has been
    indiscriminately picking up anyone
    brown (and even some Europeans),
    many of which haven't EVEN committed
    crimes and in many cases are US
    citizens.



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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Dumas Walker on Wed Mar 25 06:29:44 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Tue Mar 24 2026 11:24 am

    BTW, if you look at the numbers,
    despite Trump's campaign claims, Oba > was also imprisoning / turning back decent numbers, too.

    It doesn't have to be nefarious, i > > an issue of priorities. Biden preferredthe risk of catch and
    release to
    a large dragnet holding many peopl > > whoreally didn't need to be held u > > that way, and Trump would rather g > > cats and figure out where to hold
    them later.

    I didn't claim it was nefarious, but > that it was not smart. I also don't > think that turning loose a bunch of > agents in various cities is smart,
    either, but that is what happens aft > a few years of just turning people loose on this side of the border.

    If anything, that might have been th > reason there... break something so then you can complain about how the
    other side does an equally silly 180 > try to correct it.

    Yeah, that sounds dumb but we are
    talking about US politicians, and I
    seriously wonder if we could ever
    assemble a bigger group of dummies t > the current lot we have.

    To the point of Obama's policies, the
    main counter argument of liberals is
    that a vast quantity of his numbers
    were people turned away directly at
    the border; to my knowledge that is
    true. And to be frank I don't have
    as many issues with actual BORDER
    policy.

    For the record, I don't count myself
    among "liberals" anymore; for one,
    non-MAGA republicans and most Democratsare all liberals, of different
    opinions. I consider myself to the
    left of liberals, generally.

    Anyhow, I don't think ANY president
    can or should have the power to
    mass expel people on the basis of
    race or origin in the way we do,
    because that ability to do so
    can be turned on you and me just
    as easily, and it violates all
    of our 4th amendment rights in
    particular, and increases the
    potential use of the 2nd. People
    forget that even when IKE did this
    Texans got in their pickups and
    hunted down US Marshalls who were
    mass deporting Mexicans because
    of the mass violation of their rights.

    And that wasn't near as harsh as what
    Trump is doing with ICE. However bad
    a previous president botched
    immigration does not give the next
    president the right to violate
    American's rights in the name of
    convenience for his agencies, but
    that is what is happening.

    I would rather abolish DHS as a whole,
    reimplement the agencies as they
    existed in the 90s, make sure the
    communications issues that were
    the cause for DHS are not reintroduced
    and then provide paths for citizenship
    for non-criminal undocumented migrants
    combined with a punitive tax just largeenough to dissuade illegal migration. Increase the amount of judges for
    deportation cases, and work with
    sanctuary state to ensure that they
    will inform the newly-reformed INS of
    illegals currently imprisoned. Which
    I might add, is something that
    already happens.







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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Kilo G on Wed Mar 25 06:34:36 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Kilo G to Vilenihilist on Tue Mar 24 2026 03:16 am

    yo all men dude - did you see the
    immigration laws before 1965?

    You will find the Constitution itself
    is fairly silent about immigration.
    Every immigration law we have is just
    restriction we arbitrarily made,
    for better and for worse. There is
    nothing inherently American about such
    laws and we can redefine them any way
    we please, as a people.

    Our first immigration laws were about
    deporting former French allies. White
    Christian Frenchies.







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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Darklord on Wed Mar 25 06:43:51 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Darklord to Denn ALL on Wed Mar 25 2026 03:49 am

    Trump is president, that's about it. > Is he doing worse? Or better? I have > been able to tell since forever ago > any good president, not that they ha > any powers to really do anything
    anyways. G'day or whatnot.

    I'd say that on paper a President is
    supposed to be weak; however, a few
    things:

    1. Project 2025 explicitly was about
    finding ways to increase the power
    of the Executive.

    2. Congress in Trump's case is giving
    him more de facto power by refusing
    to legislate or check him; if you're
    the only functionin rule of the land,
    your rules become action become "law."

    3. Even without that, Congress has overthe centuries deferred more and more power to executive agencies and relied
    on tradition rather than law to
    restrict the executive from abusing
    their hold on the day-to-day of those
    agencies.

    4. Congress also isn't asserting their
    own power at all, and that's both
    parties. Especially as it concerns war
    powers. The Founders NEVER intended
    for the president, any president, to
    operate as the they have on the
    global state. Washington himself got
    in a scandal just for speaking on
    whether he felt we were in an
    international conflict with France.

    So I mean, yeah a President
    TECHNICALLY has little power, but
    in reality we've created a quasi-king
    and all political persuasions should
    be interested in rollin that the
    fuck back to constitutional limits.






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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 06:58:08 2026
    Arelor wrote to Vilenihilist <=-

    I don't identify myself as a Christian but it takes no genius to
    realize left-wing parties champion Islam exclusively as a way to oppose Christianity (and the bag of right-wing policies that come with it).
    That is just an example. Nobody who isn't a muslim would endorse the muslim culture in a vacuum.

    One issue - inclusivity doesn't meaning championing one religion over
    another. In fact, it's the opposite.

    A politico-religious movement that calls itself pro-life, but then
    reduces or eliminates benefits to children and parents that give that
    life the best chances to succeed come off as hypocritical.

    It's like we've all forgotten that a well-fed, healthy, educated
    populace benefits the body politic - unless the goal is to create a
    class-driven society with racial tension, crime and a populace that
    doesn't think critically.





    Anybody who is not under a rock and is somehow honest with himself will clearly notice that American cultural products have switched from embracing American culture to rejecting it quite overtly. Old movies featured aspirational characters that were intended to represent the
    prime of Americanism. Daniel Boone's TV show was all about exploration
    and heroism, but also about fending off totalitarian overreach, keeping good relationships with peaceful neighbors and fighting off hostile
    ones. Now we have movies like Black Panther in which the heroes openly shame whiteness.

    Most noticeably, American cultural products have lost their identity because they removed their stars and stripes, their apple pie, guns, bourbon and failed to fill the void with anything meaningful. There is
    a reason why the movie industry is touching new lows as of late:
    Hollywood is producing empty products. When you watch a Bollywood piece
    it is easy to notice they are proud of their identity or at least they
    are not ashamed of it, so even bad pieces have the redeeming characteristic of having some substance.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 06:58:08 2026
    Arelor wrote to Vilenihilist <=-

    the right thing to do because of the people the Roman Empire enslaved.
    The problem with the approach is that if you publicly defend nuking
    Italy is the right thing to do you end up giving Italy legitimate
    reasons to terminate you in self-defense.

    You're going to start a movement, careful!



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to VILENIHILIST on Wed Mar 25 10:12:14 2026
    IMHO, the proper solution there is t > release them back into the country they came through... Mexico, as was being done during at least part of Trump's first admin... instead of releasing them into the USA.

    Well no, the point is they are holding them prior to their hearings, which
    is them gettin due process under the law. So until they've been heard, people
    should not just be deported.

    I would consider them a flight risk... especially since many were in
    "flight" when apprehended. Law enforcement and the courts usually frown on allowing citizens who are "flight risks" back out to roam about waiting for trial, so I don't think it should be any different for these folks.

    They either need to be kept somewhere, or made to wait across the border,
    until their trial just like any other person labeled a flight risk. You
    don't just let them go and hope the come back when their date comes up...
    that is, assuming you even know where they are to tell them their date has
    come up.

    Bad bad bad idea.

    Trump, and Biden as well, could have resolved that by makin a strong case
    to hire more judges and lawyers to expedite the cases and speed up processing. Neglicence on Biden's
    part,

    That would not be a bad idea for sure. You can see Trump being that kind
    of negligent, but you would wonder why the Biden admin didn't think of that.

    but Trump's response has been indiscriminately picking up anyone brown
    (and even some Europeans),
    many of which haven't EVEN committed crimes and in many cases are US citizens.

    Yes, this way is wrong... it is a knee-jerk response to to another,
    opposite way that was also wrong.

    A case of two wrongs really not making a "right."


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Wed Mar 25 14:45:14 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 2026 06:04 am


    America is whatever we want it to be.

    Yeah but it is dishonest to claim a culture is shapeless and undefined. If I tried to take bullfighting, flamenco and afternoon naps to the US they would be identified as foreign concepts.

    Video released a couple of hours ago that illustrates what I meant even if the guy does not know he is illustrating it:

    "Hollywood Killed Your Heroes on Purpose" https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=0AsjZi-lfmw


    By the way I am not very active online and I deal with a lot of people on a regular basis, in the real world.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Vilenihilist on Wed Mar 25 15:04:16 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 2026 06:09 am



    Brother I said SINCE Reagan, as in,
    ongoing, to this day. Y'all know it
    happens all the time. I've moved in
    republican circles here in the South
    my whole life, I KNOW what people
    talk about, you can't gaslight me.

    Yeah I have friends who say the world would be a better place if their boss was ran over by a bus but the sentiment is openly recognized as idiotic and/or inadequate for polite conversation by the overwhelming majority.

    You might as well say you know people who think California ought to be nuked. That people exists but the idea is widely disrespected to the point of being something people says when amongfriends and on drugs only.

    During the Red Scare the preasure on Communism and Leftism was real because the idea that "infiltrates" were to be located and excluded from society was supported by a lot of people, you had institutional manuals training public servants on rooting infiltrates out, and the concept was so celebrated and publicly accepted that if you were an actor suspect of not being 100% American you were out of your job.

    I don't think I have seen that take effect in my entire lifetime.

    What I have seen is the opposite effect on a number of industries to the point I dare say the US was under a Nazi Scare until a couple of years ago (and Europe has not shaken out of it). Idea which you pretty much have admitted when you declared it was just and fail blowback.

    And more to the point, if you were an Italian born in the mid 90s who was raised out of the Hoover drama and tried to establish some business with an American company anytime between 2016 and 2020, you would immediately notice a whole lot of industries were ideologically compromomised to the point you were only allowed to play with them if you sworn allegiance to some variant of leftist ideology. So frankly, if you watched the people who didn't want to hire you because you were a Mormon or whatever get steamrolled by political events you would not care much. Claims that futile spiteful celebrations of the death of people who share your views are just blowback would come across as ridiculous.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 25 15:15:03 2026
    Re: Re: Still with Trump
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Mar 25 2026 06:58 am

    muslim culture in a vacuum.

    One issue - inclusivity doesn't meaning championing one religion over
    another. In fact, it's the opposite.

    You touch an interesting point that is often negglected.

    The issue is most people posing as inclusive are not inclusive at all. They don't want plurality of ideas. They want a plurality of a set of things they prefer, to the exclusion of a set of things they actualy despise.

    This leads to ridiculous situations in which Feminists (who despite trans people) are grouped politically alongside Muslims (who despise feminisms and homosexuals) and Trans activist groups (who despise the modern feminism movement). Notice however how a Capitalist Heterosexual Baptist would be instantly rejected for being incompatible with the above despite the fact none of those "inclusive" groups are compatible with one another.

    Exhibit A: The Ciudadanos party in Spain being chased out of a Gay Pride Parade because it was recognized as a Capitalist party, despite the fact Ciudadanos is openly pro-Gay.


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  • From Darklord@VERT/OUTWEST to Vilenihilist on Thu Mar 26 08:01:01 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Darklord on Wed Mar 25 2026 06:43 am

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Darklord to Denn ALL on Wed Mar 25 2026 03:49 am

    Trump is president, that's about it. > Is he doing worse? Or better? I have
    been able to tell since forever ago > any good president, not that they
    ha > any powers to really do anything
    anyways. G'day or whatnot.

    I'd say that on paper a President is supposed to be weak; however, a few things:

    1. Project 2025 explicitly was about finding ways to increase the power
    of the Executive.


    Yes, the Executive Orders.. Been way too many for the last 2 presidents. Never heard much about prez's using exec orders before them, and if they did it was probably hush,hush.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Arelor on Fri Mar 27 05:59:13 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Sun Mar 22 2026 08:00 pm

    I don't believe in coordinate ethnic replacement theories myself, but one would have to be either naive or dishonest not to conceede there has been a, let's say, cultural "genocide" against the traditional population.

    As well as at the voting booth...

    Here in VA, we have a new communist carpetbagger of a guvner who is intent on replacing the voting population with her Northern VA colleagues.

    The current representation in the house is 6D vs 5R... pretty close I'd say. These lines were just drawn in 2020 by a non-partisan group that did a pretty good job according to most.

    If she has her way, the new lines will be 10D vs 1R.

    In other words, the representation of the producers in the majority of the state will be replaced by the consumers in NoVA.

    Disgusting...

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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Dumas Walker on Fri Mar 27 06:17:28 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Wed Mar 25 2026 10:12 am

    IMHO, the proper solution there > > > t > release them back into the country they came through...
    Mexico, as was being done durin > > > at least part of Trump's first admin... instead of releasing t > > > into the USA.

    Well no, the point is they are
    holding them prior to their hearin > > which
    is them gettin due process under t > > law. So until they've been heard, people
    should not just be deported.

    I would consider them a flight risk. > especially since many were in "flight" when apprehended. Law
    enforcement and the courts usually
    frown on allowing citizens who are
    "flight risks" back out to roam abou > waiting for trial, so I don't think > should be any different for these
    folks.

    They either need to be kept somewher > or made to wait across the border, until their trial just like any othe > person labeled a flight risk. You don't just let them go and hope the
    come back when their date comes up.. > that is, assuming you even know wher > they are to tell them their date has > come up.

    Bad bad bad idea.

    Trump, and Biden as well, could ha > > resolved that by makin a strong ca > > to hire more judges and lawyers to > > expedite the cases and speed up
    processing. Neglicence on Biden's
    part,

    That would not be a bad idea for sur > You can see Trump being that kind
    of negligent, but you would wonder w > the Biden admin didn't think of that >
    but Trump's response has been
    indiscriminately picking up anyone > > brown
    (and even some Europeans),
    many of which haven't EVEN committ > > crimes and in many cases are US citizens.

    Yes, this way is wrong... it is a
    knee-jerk response to to another,
    opposite way that was also wrong.

    A case of two wrongs really not maki > a "right."


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    This is the thing. I'm no Biden stan;
    the actual left (not just "Democrats")
    are of the same mind. Biden and the
    dems did botch many aspects of their
    immigration policy, which then made
    room for Trump's horrific xenophobia
    to gain traction and become policy.

    Now, on the subject of flight risk,
    I would just say that the issue is
    the ability to overclassify people.
    We should use the actual apparatus
    of the state to actually DETERMINE
    who would be a flight risk, not
    just do it as a matter of course,
    which is my part of my point.
    If you just blanket classify people
    we arrive right back where we are now.
    That is why it is bad policy to do.

    There is a right way to do this.
    I don't think there's a "middle" way
    to do this, but I do think the
    left I often talk to doesn't do
    enough to consider how people are
    living out on the border states,
    and the right, in particular the
    MAGA right, refuses to
    acknowledge the facts that
    most of the things they complain
    about are NOT tied to immigration
    but rather to a combo of market
    forces and refusal to stamp out
    corruption and financial power
    by our politicians from the
    local level on up.

    Punishing people that actuall have
    nothin to do with the real problems
    does nothing but hurt our country.





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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Fri Mar 27 06:23:36 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Wed Mar 25 2026 02:45 pm


    Yeah but it is dishonest to claim a
    culture is shapeless and undefined. > I tried to take bullfighting, flamen > and afternoon naps to the US they wo > be identified as foreign concepts.

    No one is claiming its shapeless. I
    am claiming to you that it isn't
    exclusively white and protestant
    and never has been. America is
    a culture that assimilates and
    adapts other cultures and reflects
    that back to the world. The culture
    in any country is not just driven
    by the demographic majority alone.
    So tryin to force others to abide
    that is fucked up. For example,
    no one is ever going to force me
    to abide by their christian lifestyle.
    I'm an atheist and I will defend my
    freedom of and from religion with
    my right to bear arms should that
    day ever come that someone tries.

    As I would hope any American would do
    for their beliefs. But notice I
    don't advocate for the crushing
    of the christians that I think are
    destroying this country. I want them
    out of power and I will fight to make
    it so, but I don't seek to remove theirrights or mak them powerless where theylive. I seek to make them powerless
    over me.




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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Arelor on Fri Mar 27 06:31:06 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Arelor to Vilenihilist on Wed Mar 25 2026 03:04 pm

    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Vilenihilist to Arelor on Wed > 25 2026 06:09 am



    Brother I said SINCE Reagan, as i > > ongoing, to this day. Y'all know > > happens all the time. I've moved > > republican circles here in the So > > my whole life, I KNOW what people > > talk about, you can't gaslight me >
    Yeah I have friends who say the worl > would be a better place if their bos > was ran over by a bus but the sentim > is openly recognized as idiotic and/ > inadequate for polite conversation b > the overwhelming majority.

    You might as well say you know peopl > who think California ought to be nuk > That people exists but the idea is
    widely disrespected to the point of
    being something people says when
    amongfriends and on drugs only.

    During the Red Scare the preasure on > Communism and Leftism was real becau > the idea that "infiltrates" were to > located and excluded from society wa > supported by a lot of people, you ha > institutional manuals training publi > servants on rooting infiltrates out, > and the concept was so celebrated an > publicly accepted that if you were a > actor suspect of not being 100%
    American you were out of your job.

    I don't think I have seen that take
    effect in my entire lifetime.

    What I have seen is the opposite eff > on a number of industries to the poi > I dare say the US was under a Nazi
    Scare until a couple of years ago (a > Europe has not shaken out of it). Id > which you pretty much have admitted
    when you declared it was just and fa > blowback.

    And more to the point, if you were a > Italian born in the mid 90s who was raised out of the Hoover drama and
    tried to establish some business wit > an American company anytime between 2016 and 2020, you would immediately > notice a whole lot of industries wer > ideologically compromomised to the
    point you were only allowed to play
    with them if you sworn allegiance to > some variant of leftist ideology. So > frankly, if you watched the people w > didn't want to hire you because you
    were a Mormon or whatever get
    steamrolled by political events you
    would not care much. Claims that fut > spiteful celebrations of the death o > people who share your views are just > blowback would come across as
    ridiculous.


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    It's hardly considered a ridiculous
    sentiment here in Florida, it's the
    norm. People regularly wish violence
    on people they don't like, cheer
    when they die or are maimed, want to
    bring harm to them, etc. I have spoken
    with business owners regularly engagingin racial bigotry when there are
    no people of color in the room. I
    had a boss that had dined with the
    Trumps (specifically Eric and Jr.)
    to talk business, and him and his
    wife openly advocated for the return
    of slavery, unprompted by me.

    You cats cannot seem to acknowledge
    that there is a rot, a cancer coming
    from the right that stinks of the
    old evils of this country. You get
    mad when people like me tell you
    this is real and a problem. You
    tell us we are crazy, we are hystericaland that "it's just a joke, they're
    not taken seriously" and I am assertingto you, whether choose to believe it
    or not, that it IS taken seriously and
    it underlies MAGA culture. You are
    certainly entitled to your wrong
    opinion, this is America after all.

    But it is wrong.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Darklord on Fri Mar 27 06:34:54 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Darklord to Vilenihilist on Thu Mar 26 2026 08:01 am

    Yes, the Executive Orders.. Been way > too many for the last 2 presidents. Never heard much about prez's using
    exec orders before them, and if they > did it was probably hush,hush.

    That's not true at all. It's been
    a continuous talking point since
    Bush, it was spoken of about Obama.

    This has been a constant point of
    contention my entire life.

    It's reached a tippin point in my
    opinion. Executive Orders have become
    kingly decrees under every president.
    These are not meant to have the
    force of law behind them, but
    when the law is silent, they speak
    more forefully.


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  • From Vilenihilist@VERT to Bf2k+ on Fri Mar 27 06:39:42 2026
    Re: Still with Trump
    By: Bf2k+ to Arelor on Fri Mar 27 2026 05:59 am

    Here in VA, we have a new communist
    carpetbagger of a guvner who is inte > on replacing the voting population w > her Northern VA colleagues.

    The current representation in the ho > is 6D vs 5R... pretty close I'd say. > These lines were just drawn in 2020 > a non-partisan group that did a pret > good job according to most.

    If she has her way, the new lines wi > be 10D vs 1R.

    In other words, the representation o > the producers in the majority of the > state will be replaced by the consum > in NoVA.

    Disgusting...



    Two things:

    1. Who started this chain reaction
    again? The President did.

    2. We all agree gerrymandering is
    fucking awful. Perhaps when Trump
    is out, if he actually does leave,
    we can all agree to lobby the
    next president and the next
    congress to get support for
    federal laws to facilitate
    ending it once and for all.
    America needs a solution to
    end gerrymandering nationally,
    all at the same time. No
    state can safely stop gerrymandering
    when it puts them at disadvantage
    to other state that refuse to
    "disarm" as it were, and in the
    end we the people are the ultimate
    losers.







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